Legion Holy Paladin

[gladlator]

Holy Paladin - after starting to play a holy paladin from the beginning and testing all spell and talents in more than 1k bgs / 5k arenas and hundreds of dungeons this is what is working and what is not.
This is not a guide or a cry wall - its just a post for ppl. who want to play this spec and they don't know what is working or not. For sure i made some mistakes here if you notice tham feel free to post and be constructive. If you wish to respond to something by disagreeing with it. That’s fine. But, remember to criticize the ideas, not me. thanks.

Spells:
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=213428/artificial-damage most important - silver hand trait 1% damage for every trait purchase up to 34 traits is not working.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20271/judgment the base spell of holy spec , only damage part working, don't give bonus to 30% increased damage from your Crusader Strike and Holy Shock for 6 sec or  After Judgment strikes an enemy, all damage you take for the next 4 sec is reduced by 10%.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=53563/beacon-of-light dont give mana back
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=4987/cleanse  dont clean all, just 1 or 2 or nothing.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=85222/light-of-dawn spell power coefficients for this spell are wrong calculated at 30k spell power + artefact traits 15%  heal for 44k -  (if you don't know your spell power use DejaCharacterStats703r17 addon )
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=31821/aura-mastery not working no matter what aura you have active.

Holy Paladin Talents

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=196926/crusaders-might  not working. (good talent for burst and for short windows of damage very important in conjunction with other offensive talents)
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=115750/blinding-ligh working partial (only blind part working) - the part with DON'T break on holy damage is not working so you can't hit with holy damage the target that is in cc)
all auras and their aura mastery - they don't work
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20066/repentance damage part not working
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=196923/fervent-martyr  not working
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=156910/beacon-of-faith not working

Holy Paladin PVP Talents


the most important talents here are not working.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=210294/divine-favor not working (i get silence with this buff up on me - only visual)
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=216327/lights-grace not working ( proc from every healing, dont give 100% bonus to holy light ( give 50% only) also the buff 15% damage reduction is only visual
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=210378/darkest-before-the-dawn - not working (this talent is the new loh for pvp
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=216331/avenging-crusader  - not working.
 

Holy Paladin Weapon

half of the weapon talents are not working or proc give bonus randomly

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200302/knight-of-the-silver-hand no damage reduction
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200373/vindicator sometimes working and some arena dont proc ever
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200474/power-of-the-silver-hand proc from all spells but doing nothing/ only visual
 

Future updates will be done here, thank you for reading.

[gladlator]

update #1:
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=214855/tyrs-deliverance artefact weapon spell - not working.
 

[Maxxin]

Gladllator how did you test all artifact skills when other classes got like 8-9 skills unluck ?

[gladlator]

by farming arena with paladins alts and doing more than 6k arena till now on this server.

[Yogyseusz]

Wow! Good job on that post dude! Hope it will help out the developers to do something with those problems

[Guatrau]

I have some more

About Cleanse - it should dispell all magic+diseases+poisons that you have and if you have for exapmle 2 Corruptions it's dispelling only one.

You've marked all auras as "not working" but they are partly working:

- Aura of Mercy healing is fine, but it's not limited to 3 people and it's also healing people that are not in party with paladin (and Aura Mastery with this aura works fine),

- Devotion Aura right now works only on friendly targets and it should be applied to the paladin too (blizzard sucks at writing tooltips ¯\_(ツ)_/¯), I didn't test AM with it so idk if it's working.

Light's Grace healing is fine - that's 100% more for me ( ͡º ͜ʖ͡º).

Spells:

1. Divine Steed:

- Can't be used while carrying a flag in battlegrounds (blizzard hotfixed it before release),

- you can't use spells and cast anything when Divine Steed is active, right now it's acting like a mount instead of "sprint with cool mount animation", so if you use anything you are getting dismounted.

2. Light of the Martyr:

- Damage dealt to the paladin is higher then 50% (I'm getting around 59% damage).

3. Mastery: Lightbringer:

- The proximity thing works fine, but it isn't increasing healing correctly - with 25% mastery I'm healing around 15% more in melee range compared to 40yd.

Talents:

1. Judgment of Light:

- Doesn't have 1s icd (combat log).

Honor talents:

1. Defender of the Weak:

- Works on every healing spell, and it should proc only when you heal someone with <50% hp.

2. Ultimate Sacrifice:

- DoT doesn't appear on paladin, damage is not transferring at all,

- Sac on friendly target doesn't decrease damage incoming by 100%.

Holy Ritual, Avenging Light, Spreading the Word, Pure of Heart - none of this is working.

Artifact traits:

1. Shock Treatment:

- Doesn't increase critical healing, damage is fine (damage and healing).

2. The Light Saves:

- Doesn't work at all.

 

And very minor thing but it's annoying for me, when you use Crusader Strike and Holy Shock combat log and scrolling combat text shows that you are generating Holy Power and in Legion we no longer have it. 

[Dreammer]

I am not sure if this is only paladin problem but, when I select Light´s Hammer tallent in first tier. It adds the spell but after changing spec and then back, the spell is no longer usable.

You have to select another talent and then back to it to be able to use it.

[Törpögies]

1 hour ago, Dreammer said:

I am not sure if this is only paladin problem but, when I select Light´s Hammer tallent in first tier. It adds the spell but after changing spec and then back, the spell is no longer usable.

You have to select another talent and then back to it to be able to use it.

That is a common problem, not holy specific. For example as frost mage when i select Lonely Winter talent and i relog, the water elemental will remain, so i have to quickly change to other talent then back to remove the elemental and gain the damage boost of Lonely Winter again.

[gladlator]

#12 updates and still no love or interest to add some fixes to this uniq spec in legion.

holy paladin - the only spec ingame who have to be in mele range, who have to do damage to be efficient and increase his hps, who don't have cc and can get chain cc'd for ever.

core spells for holy paladin that are not working from the beginning of the server legion patch and no1 care:

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20271/judgment  the core for damage (working for ret spec but not for holy)
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=196926/crusaders-might not working. (another core talent for those who like to dps like healer)
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=31821/aura-mastery+ any aura not working (we are healers in mele range but still we can't use any of this)
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=85222/light-of-dawn. not scaling with spell power useless spell , must have 180%spell power coefficient + weapon traits but still nothing. i have 31k sp and i heal with this 44k is a joke for healing

now for pvp (this is my opinion and what i like to use , for sure are more)

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=196926/crusaders-might

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=115750/blinding-light

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=210294/divine-favor

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=210378/darkest-before-the-dawn

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=216331/avenging-crusader

none of them are working.

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=115750/blinding-light u can't do holy damage target immediately get out of cc
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=210294/divine-favor you get silence can't cast even if u have the icon on bufs (tested +1k times)
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=210378/darkest-before-the-dawn the scaling from sp+ artefact weapon traits are so low and the healing from this talent are not working.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=216331/avenging-crusader the core of this unique spec is to have burst every minute.
in this expansion we are doom as holy paladins to stay in melee range, at least to do it with style.
in all my arena / bgs / dungeons run i feel like a heal bot. i can't do damage , i can't do plays i can't come with something new to the playstile.
i play this spec and for me the "element of surprise is 0"

im not crying about all the weapon traits that are not working, like:
basic weapon skill http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200652/tyrs-deliverance

not working
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200296/expel-the-darkness

not working

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200302/knight-of-the-silver-hand

not working

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200421/the-light-saves

not working

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200327/share-the-burden

not working

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200430/protection-of-tyr

not working

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200482/second-sunrise

not working

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=200316/justice-through-sacrifice

not working

.......i know you have too much work and too much on your back but when you have a little bit of time just take a look on this uniq spec and show us some love.

thank you.

 

 

[Buller]

On 30. 11. 2016 at 11:58 PM, gladlator said:

by farming arena with paladins alts and doing more than 6k arena till now on this server.

Without artifact knowledge level you would need more that 6k arena to obtain 65 million AP, but few weeks ago there was a nice bug when all players get huge amount of AP, now it seems like not everyone get rollback of traits.

[Maxxin]

Yea he use the bug to reach AP Cap ban him he he...

[gladlator]

On 12/27/2016 at 6:54 PM, Buller said:

Without artifact knowledge level you would need more that 6k arena to obtain 65 million AP, but few weeks ago there was a nice bug when all players get huge amount of AP, now it seems like not everyone get rollback of traits.

i have ak +500% and also i have weapon lvl (if i remember 18 on main and +16 on some alts) also in the last 3 weeks i never play (only log in to make ak every 9 days and missions for ap)
i will start to play again after they open some mythic/raids or some pvp season. about exploiting i dont think im the guy for it. im to old and stupid to do exploits. cya and have a happy new year.